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  • Hardcover
  • 244 pages
  • The Dozens
  • Elijah Wald
  • English
  • 24 August 2018
  • 9780199895403

10 thoughts on “The Dozens

  1. says:

    Great scholarship on the history of the dozensThe title is a bit misleading as Rap is discussed as about 5 10% of the total text, because the historical precedents are actually much interesting rooting back into the Jazz era, the writing, the music, the survival strategy aspects of slipping into the dozens, of testing boundaries and affirming friendships and outing aggressorsjust dope all around.I grew up talking shit and capping clowning my friends, talking up and down about their mothers in the most debased sexist, racist, juvenile and CREATIVE ways You grew to know when too much was too much, and we all grew thick skins and THAT kept us out of trouble with folks who didn t know us like that And one of the fondest memories of my high school years was when all these same clowns and I got our mothers together to cook them dinner one night, so they could all meetthere s no joke to this part it REALLY happened, and it was silly and we cooked a crappy meal you d expect from a pack of 16 17 year olds But our moms got to meet and hang out and feel loved because at the end of the day, no matter how many ways I put someone s mom on blast, I always knew in my heart they were someone s mama It was an important and formative part of my adolescence and certainly frames all the talking I have to do at work in a way that keeps me from getting in fools faces.The Dozens is an easily accessible academic book that really gets under the skin, check it out.


  2. says:

    Wald writes academically about aspects of American culture that aren t often afforded the treatment, which means he s doing important and occasionally groundbreaking work while never being quite as entertaining or engaging as his subjects would seem to warrant This book is no different enlightening, but often frustratingly dry, especially given the vibrantly raunchy subject matter.


  3. says:

    Wald s always pleasurable reading In depth research, lots of laughs.Gave me repartee ideas for putting my wise a. buddies in their place.notes preface viichoices madepreserve original language, even if sexist, racist, homophobicetc effective, objective handling of offensiveness.4..1st written reference 1921, chris smith song don t slip me in the dozens NBA standard trash talking10. 47, black mocking signifying songs similar to African songs of derision.also, wa wa trumpet in jazz blues15..interpretations predatory bullying, or survival of an ancient African tradition17..a way to feel importantmost of us ain t goin nowhere in this world, ain t goin to do much better than we re doin now51 52..often used c ck to mean vulva, not penis c sucker can mean man performing cunnilin gus Ancient euphemism, abbrev of cockle , or scallop shell, symbol of fem genitalia..goes back to Egypt cult of Isis Roman cult of Venus. Botticelli s Birth of Aphrodite 67..nobody will know how ugly you is Yo ugliness is shrouded in mystery.Hostility was an elaborate masquerade whereunder they concealed genuine affection.68..Zora Hurston..avg southern child is raised on simile and invective They know how to call names Mullet headed, mule eared, wall eyed, hog nosed, 71..Hurston short story so ugly dey have to cover yo face up at night so sleep can slip up on yo so ugly they could throw yo in de Miss River skim ugly for 6 months you heard her, you ain t blind87..bo diddley s Say Man, 1959, his only top 20 pop hit..Some of the lines in Hurston story 30 years previous92..Snaps books96..dick gregory developed his comedy skills with the dozenscenter photos 725 BC, Stela of Great Chief of a donkey shall copulate with him, a donkey shall copulate with his wife, his wife shall copulate with his child 121..ch 8 Around the world with your Mother Funny187..yo mama has so much hair under her arms, looks like she got Buckwheat in a headlock


  4. says:

    I came across a reference to the dozens in something I read and I was fascinated because I had never heard the term Probably because I m an old white lady This book is tracing a cultural phenomenon of a game played in a group, usually for a group, of throwing insults about a person s mama or family back and forth until one person is declared winner These games can be fun and humorous, but can also lead to physical violence The author likens the game to jazz, as well as rap, and the history goes back to the early 20th century and vaudeville Fascinating read


  5. says:

    I enjoy everything the author writes I could not wait to get into this book give yourself and hour or so uninterrupted once you get into it you will not stop his books just flow This book was fascinating.


  6. says:

    gave insight on the way we communicate as black men Shows that nurturing is a trait in black men like any men , but it expressed in a different way could be considered harsh by some I like that Wald wasn t pretentious in explaining the topic and gave multiple points of Views I gotta agree tho it was a bit dry given the topic.


  7. says:

    Brings back childhood memories.


  8. says:

    Truly the best book ever on the pre history, history, literary use of, musical recording of, phenomenology of, and everything else you could think of, of insulting people s mamas Light footed, funny, and scholarly, too Pursues lots of different ideas of what they mean, includes multicultural insults including people doing the deed in Turkish , and scholarship on the relation of folk to commercial culture And since Wald knows a billion things about the old blues circuit see his excellent book on Robert Johnson, hardly the untutored primitive 60s rockers made him out to be as Wald notes, in the pictures we have of Johnson, he s wearing a suit , he can talk really smartly about what the early recordings of insult songs do and don t mean Plus this sentence, which is one of the greatest sentences ever to be published by Oxford UP No one has attempted a serious historical insult mapping of the United States, whether by culture, ethnicity, or geography, and by now it may well be too late 166 That would be one heck of a book, I think we can all agree.


  9. says:

    I agree with another good reads review that calls the book often frustratingly dry, especially given the vibrantly raunchy subject matter The author is an academic often uses words that I ve never even heard of before, forget knowing their definition For example, sequelae is used in the preface lagniappe is used in the last chapter I ve since looked up both words but I just skipped over many others I like having a big vocabulary myself, but it just seemed extra obnoxious in the context of a book about the history of the dozens.On the other hand the author clearly has a sense of humor I think the book would have felt less like a bit of a slog like a terrific conversation if he d let a bit personality come through the pages left the high faluting language to academic journals.If you get bored skip ahead read chapter eleven Why Do They We Do That , a nice overview of various theories.


  10. says:

    I picked up this book thinking it was going to focus on the Dozens s relationship to rap, but it did not do that At all.This is of an academic look at the linguistics of insult battles, but Wald can often be found hedging any kind of concrete conclusions about the origins of certain stanzas or lines It is not uncommon in the book to find qualifying lines like It may be. or It is possible that The book is also very slow reading It s only 200 pages, but it feels much longer than that.Given the slowness of the book, the wavering of the author, and the fact that only the last 15 pages of the book were dedicated to the Dozens s connection to rap, I wouldn t really suggest this book unless you have a serious interest in African American linguistic history.


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About the Author: Elijah Wald

Elijah Wald is a musician and writer, with nine published books Most are about music blues, folk, world, and Mexican drug ballads , with one about hitchhiking.His new book is a revisionist history of popular music, throwing out the usual critical conventions and instead looking at what mainstream pop fans were actually listening and dancing to over the years At readings, he also plays guitar an