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  • Paperback
  • 233 pages
  • Thân Phận Của Tình Yêu (The Fate of Love)
  • Bảo Ninh
  • English
  • 24 December 2017
  • 9781573225434

About the Author: Bảo Ninh

B o Ninh sinh ng y 18 th ng 10 n m 1952 l nh v n Vi t Nam vi t ti u thuy t v truy n ng n Ti u s B o Ninh t n th t l Ho ng u Ph ng, sinh t i huy n Di n Ch u, t nh Ngh An, qu x B o Ninh, huy n Qu ng Ninh, t nh Qu ng B nh, Vi t Nam ng l con trai c a Gi o s Ho ng Tu 1922 1999 , nguy n Vi n tr ng Vi n Ng n ng h c ng v o b i n m 1969 Th i chi n tranh, ng chi n



10 thoughts on “Thân Phận Của Tình Yêu (The Fate of Love)

  1. says:

    The Future Lied To UsA reminiscence, rather than a memoir, tumbling between the time before war, eleven years of brutal fighting, and then its aftermath Shifting from first to third person, with the occasional second person letter, the story is as unstructured as the lives involved And none of it is politically correct No The ones who loved war were not the young men, but the others like the politicians, middle aged men with fat bellies and short legs Not the ordinary people The recent years of war had brought enough suffering and pain to last them a thousand years At its simplest, this story is the universal one of the common soldier an inexperienced young man dislocated from a normal life, and exposed to the horror of having to kill and watching others killed, seemingly endlessly Inevitably he loses not only his civilized existence but his identity Using drugs when he can find them and pure grit when he can t, he manages to survive But for what His peace is as a worn out alcoholic, all his family, friends, and comrades dead Unable to sustain any sort of intimate relationship, all he can do is remember This kind of peace In this kind of peace it seems people have unmasked themselves and revealed their true, horrible selves So much blood, so many lives were sacrificed for what His memory, particularly his memory of his own expectations, is the source of his malaise.He writes as a form of therapy, to rid himself of the devils, his memories, that now constitute his personality All he has is these devils, these ghosts, who appear in flashbacks, spontaneous violence, recurrent dreams of disaster and a depressive lethargy Only by writing about them can he exorcise their power He has been told by others who have been in his position, After this hard won victory fighters like you, Kien, will never be normal again You won t even speak with your normal voice, in the normal way again So his challenge is to find a new voice, actually an entirely new personality represented by such a voice Some voice other than The way you speak in hell Incrementally he is able to find himself without forgetting what he has seen The tragedies of the war years have bequeathed to my soul the spiritual strength that allows me to escape the infinite present The little trust and will to live that remains stems not from my illusions but from the power of my recall He realises that there is something within him waiting to be made visible There is a force at work in him that he cannot resist, as though it opposes every orthodox attitude taught him and it is now his task to expose the realities of war and to tear aside conventional images This force reveals hard truths known to every common soldier in every war of history What remained was sorrow, the immense sorrow, the sorrow of having survived The sorrow of war The only real result is sorrow, Justice may have won, but cruelty, death and inhuman violence had also won Losses can be made good, damage can be repaired and wounds will heal in time But the psychological scars of the war will remain forever And yet despite the unequal balance of cost and benefit, there is something else, a spiritual beauty in the horrors of conflict, without which the war would have been another brutal, sadistic exercise Throughout his story Bao Ninh weaves a sort of lyrical spirituality which would be an obscenity if written by anyone who hadn t been through the grinding mill of virtually the entire American War in Vietnam He saw his life as a river with himself standing unsteadily at the peak of a tall hill, silently watching his life ebb from him, saying farewell to himself The flow of his life focused and refocused and each moment of that stream was recalled, each event, each memory was a drop of water in his nameless, ageless river Eventually he emerges from the nihilism of his despair in the reading of his manuscript by another who, through it, feels he knows the author His spirit had not been eroded by a cloudy memory He could feel happy that his soul would find solace in the fountain of sentiments from his youth He returned time and time again to his love, his friendship, his comradeship, those human bonds which had all helped us overcome the thousand sufferings of the war Memory had become than sorrow it also carried the joy of his youth for the reader of his life if not for him The future had lied but it did not destroy the past for the reader who is in the present Could it be that the only way that any life makes sense is after it s over and interpreted by someone else

  2. says:

    Kien is a survivor of the Viet Nam war, a North Vietnamese survivor This book is written by a North Vietnamese writer and clearly evokes much of his experience in what was a much longer war for the Vietnamese than it was for Americans The similarities between the affects of war on all sides are clear, but this tale is uniquely home grown The story is told in several different time lines Kien recalls his youth, his early years in the military, a time ten years after he entered the war, events later in the war, the period at its conclusion and a thread in what is the character s contemporary post war His central relationship is with his childhood sweetheart Phuong and one wonders here whether the name is merely a very common Vietnamese given name or if there might be an echo of The Quiet American at play here As the title indicates, sorrow is a central feature of the story Kien s nickname means Sorrowful Spirit And war is certainly a rich cornucopia of grief Kien recalls a parade of figures from his personal history, family members, people from his neighborhood, his first awakening of sexual feelings Virtually all of his comrades in arms were killed There is one killing field in particular that chills him Called The Jungle of Screaming Souls, it was a place where his battalion was massacred, Kien being one of only ten who had survived and by the post war, the only one left alive His post war work of travelling the nation attempting to identify the remains of the thousands of unmarked dead so that their families could get closure keeps him close to the ghosts of those who had passed Yes, he sees ghosts They are legion, and it appears to be his lot to see them and attempt to bring them some peace Sometimes there is nothing he can do but be a witness to them The many characters are interesting and engaging if short lived Lofty Thinh was a soldier who had slain an orang And when the company saw the corpse they were freaked out at how closely it resembled a woman Can was a deserter who died alone in the jungle Hanh was a beauty of his hometown, the object of every man s desire, who offered herself to him when he was a lad, an act that terrified than titillated him Green Coffee Girl was the sister of a friend of his from childhood, a hooker as an adult Kien saved her from an assault Hoa was an inept 19 year old female guide who sacrificed herself so the troop she was attempting to lead to safety could avoid being killed by an American search and destroy team.There is much back and forth among the timelines It takes some attention to remain focused, but this is a marvelous book, a very human tale that explores a soldier s relationship with his past, his relationships with those around him, his role in the world, how the war affected him and his society While Ninh offers a truly Vietnamese perspective, the disdain of the ordinary people for political leaders is just as palpable as any American s disgust with many of our leaders Kien lives in a world alive with the ghosts of memory and what soldier does not Ninh s imagery is rich, his characters engaging and interesting, and the central pillar of the narrative, Kien s relationship with Phuong, while frequently muted by other events, holds well enough as an organizational mechanism There is also much in here about writing It was clear that this was a difficult book for Ninh to write and he reflects on the process in the novel itself While it is not at a level with true literary giants, this is a very nice read, a wonderful first book by a gifted writer I hope to find by him.

  3. says:

    This is a book that every veteran who saw combat in Vietnam should read It gives the other side and points up so poignantly the universal suffering of all soldiers It helped me to come to an understanding that none of the anger and resentment I feel about my service in Indochina had anything to do with those we called the enemy but towards those who put us where we were who trained us to fight and steel our hearts towards those who were always referred to as gooks, dinks, or nogs those who cynically betrayed us over and over again from beginning to end and who continue to betray us as they seek to limit what they must give in compensation for wounds suffered, physical and mental,to keep their position, their benefits their reputations and what they see as their rightful slice of the pie They try to gloss over the depth of their betrayal and their absolute lack of morality with fine words about the flag and sacrifice and tradition and by passing out a few medals 40 years too late but they fail to understand the depth and breadth of the impact of their actions, then and now Bastards may they rot in hell I feel much for the enemies they set up for us, compassion, in common with them I wish with the same breath that I use to curse our politicians to hell, that those who were my enemy may rest or live in peace.

  4. says:

    Sometimes when you read a book in translation, it s hard to tell who to congratulate on a job well done Is it the author or the translator In the case of the Sorrow of War, the credit most certainly goes to the author, Bao Ninh It is amazing that this book can be some horrifying and heart wrenching through such a poor translation When I was in Vietnam in 2001, I saw the author speak about this book to our class he was quiet and soft spoken He wasn t exactly popular with the Vietnamese government If you re interested in the Vietnam War, absolutely read this book.

  5. says:

    My main problem with this book, besides the general lack of character development and plot, is that its overall theme seems overdone The novel follows the story of a North Vietnamese soldier that loses love and faces the hardships of a physical, but also emotional war Now, it might have been the fact that I had read Things They Carried and Red Badge of Courage only months before, but writing a story about the idea that war causes emotional struggles is not new It is no longer controversial to depict the front lines as something other than noble and heroic Because I know that this novel was controversial in Northern Vietnam, I can understand the rise of its popularity and reputation At the time, unveiling a side of the soldier that was not unfalteringly dedicated to die for their country was brazen Now Eh 200 something pages about your inner battles is still a valid memoir about war, but I guess it s just not that interesting any I m not taken aback by its profundity For its historical value, perhaps, the novel has merit But literature wise, Ninh s prose alone is not enough to keep it afloat when you take away the important message aspect Because the message wasn t necessarily powerful Things They Carried told about many of the same wartime hardships and did it with a hell of a lot authority skill Ninh beats down his ideas to the point of literary pulp and the reader is left exhausted and a bit annoyed that nothing really revolutionary came after page 60 that hadn t already been clearly stated Write an essay, for Christ s sake Maybe a nice short story No need to shove a singular idea into a plot line when the medium of a novel does not provide your message any other benefits Then my last criticism of Ninh s work is his clich d writing Overused metaphors, cheesy dialogue, trite story line Maybe Ninh had a really shitty translator But nonetheless I had a hard time caring about characters that said things like, it was darkness that emanated from my soul Plus, as if I my opinion of Things They Carried s superiority was not already solidified, Ninh tries his hand at some disappointing metafiction and narrator twists and it just falls flat It all seemed too obvious Though I do find the Vietnam War fascinating, and reading a novel from the Northern perspective was an interesting choice by my teacher, I still have to say that Ninh wasn t the author to do it justice.

  6. says:

    As the title makes clear, this is not a book you can read without some real emotional work Bao Ninh, pen name of a North Vietnamese veteran, barely mentions the invading Americans, except in a few searing passages that come through with a cinematic calm and vividness His overall subject is what war does to the people who fight it, and the novel is in part about the writing of the novel, the kind of approach that usually fails, at least in my estimation, but here works oddly well It helps to establish the mood of reluctant truth telling, since either way, telling the truth or not, there s no hope left, no beauty left, only whatever refracted glow might remain from peering into the joys of the distant past The main character, Kien, has many stories from the war, but the glimpses of post war Hanoi are also jarring Here is a description of the end of the war, what Americans think of as the Fall of Saigon in 1975, as seen from the other side Peace had rushed in brutally, leaving them dazed and staggering in its wake They were amazed than happy with the peace Kien sat in the canteen of the Air France terminal in Saigon , his legs up on a table, quietly drinking One after another he downed the cups of brandy, the way a barbarian would, as if to insult life Many of those around him had passed out, but he just kept on drinking A strange and horrible night.

  7. says:

    The first half of this book read like an opium dream The battles and the imagery from the Jungle of the Screaming Souls presented me with a very different perspective of the North Vietnamense soldier than what I thought it would be.In fact, my view of just about everything I thought I knew about North Vietnam from the mid 60 s to the mid 70 s was altered by this book.In the second half of the book there is a lot focus on the main character Kien and his childhood sweetheart Phuong Every scene with Kien and Phuong is riveting, whether it is inherently tender or filled with violence Another moving section of the book was when Kien and Hoa were searching for the river I was completely immersed and it stuck with me throughout the remainder of the book I know a book is heading for 5 stars when, as I m nearing the end, I read slowly and try to savor the last 20 pages or so That was the case with this one and as I look at the book sitting next to me I see a large number of dog eared pages That isn t from marking my place I always use bookmarks but to lead to passages that I ll want to re read in the future when I feel the desire to pick up the book again.Captivating characters, excellent writing, interesting storylines and the disillusionment of stereotypes you can t ask for much than that in a novel.

  8. says:

    In The Sorrow of War , Ninh dissects the horrors of war, his harrowing account exploring the psychological impact war has people, how is strips soldiers of their sense of humanity, of their innocence, the sense of adventure and solidarity it engenders is soon overtaken by the cruelty and violence it exposes soldiers to Forever he would ache with the longing to follow that shining light from the horizons of his past to return to those moments of the first sparks of war, the glimmerings of his first adventures and the light of love shining from deep in his childhood The Sorrow of War follows the life of Kien, as he reminisces about the impact of the Vietnamese War on his life A deep seated sense of ennui has built up in Kien partially this is a result of the war, with his adolescence shining like a gossamer web of brightness against the shadow which the war casts on his life It renders Kien almost incapable of feeling, or, rather Kien has had to divest himself of feelings in order to cope with the psychological damage of war This feeling is exacerbated by his heart break over his failed relationship with Phuong, who acts as a kind of ideal with whom Kien is unable to consummate a lasting relationship It would be difficult to pin down what Phuong represents to Kien, a dream or mirage, or perhaps a brief glimmer of beauty in a world full of pain, the sole shining beacon with which Kien is able to orientate himself amidst a world of darkness.Few novels capture the degradation of war like The Sorrow of War Not just the violence but, as Kien himself contemplates, the worthlessness of it all after all what exactly has really changed since before the war to justify the loss of lives of so many people Kien briefly ponders all of the stories he may have told if his life had not been ruined by war stories of love, of the lives of ordinary people and their every day concerns, instead Kien can only depict a world ruined by a senseless war, of perpetual violence and degradation punctuated by odd moments of beauty, like the silhouette of the female soldier against the setting sun as she sacrifices herself for her wounded comrades One year in the seventies a false spring had appeared in Hanoi The sun shone during the day and the air was as light or clean as April or May The trees whose branches had turned bare during winter suddenly sprouted beautiful buds In the parks the flowers began blooming and migratory birds began returning to nest under the eaves of the buildings For those few moments in a season Hanoi lost its lonely, desolate look.

  9. says:

    This is an absolute must read for anyone interested in the Vietnam War Especially if you ever wondered what it was like from the North s side I would put this novel up against any written from the American perspective And at the heart of this vivid account of war is a tragic love story worthy of Shakespeare.

  10. says:

    The sorrow of war inside a soldier s heart was in a strange way similar to the sorrow of love It was a kind of nostalgia, like the immense sadness of a world at dusk It was a sadness, a missing, a pain which could send one soaring back into the past The sorrow of the battlefield could not normally be pinpointed to one particular event, or even one person If you focused on any one event it would soon become a tearing pain.The next book in my project to read all the past winners of the Independent Foreign Fiction Prize now the Man Booker International takes me to 1994 and The Sorrow of War.It won from a shortlist of The Following Story by Cees Nooteboom, translated by Ina Rilke Fima by Amos Oz, translated by Nicholas de Lange The Moment Between the Past and the Future, by Grigorij Baklanov, translated by Catherine Porter The Road to San Giovanni by Italo Calvino, translated by Tim Parks and The Infinite Plan by Isabel Allende, translated by Margaret Sayers Peden.B o Nin s Vietnamese original Th n ph n c a t nh y u English The Destiny of Love was circulated in mimeographed form Phan Thanh Hao translated it into English and brought it to the attention of a London publisher, who then commissioned journalist and translator Frank Patmos to prepare this final English version.The judges citation stated The Sorrow of War is both remarkable and historic Usually, history is the story told by the winners Bao Ninh s book reminds us that, in war, everybody loses The novel tells the story of Kien, who fights throughout the Vietnamese war, on the ultimate victorious North Vietnamese side But as the title suggests, this is certainly not a novel that glorifies war, nor is it one that tries to tell the story of the wider conflict, focusing on the personal impact on the soldiers who fought I m nearly forty I was eighteen at the start of the war in 1965, twenty eight at the fall of Saigon in 1975 So, how many long years have passed Ten or eleven Twelve No Thirteen Another year with the MIA team Or was it longer And time wandering as a Veteran Closer to fourteen years lost because of the war The author himself fought through the Vietnam War, although he was older at 27 when called up in 1969 Kien s younger age enables the book to effectively show the stripping away of his innocence, he and his 17 year old girlfriend Phuong virgins as the conflict begins This loss of innocence takes place rapidly, in the first few days before he has even reached the front although the story is only told late in the novel We were born pure and innocent Look how innocent we are now, she mumbled He could hardly miss the allusion to their new status as multiple rape victim and brutal murderer Kien is a survivor, ultimately the only one of his brigade to do so, reflecting the author s own experience as one of only 10 out of 500 of his brigade to make it through the war At the front, among the dead and surrounded by suffering, he often dreamed of and really felt her warm flesh again and tasted her virgin milk in his dreams it was that which had given him the magical vitality to become the strongest, the luckiest, the greatest survivor of the war.The literary strength of the novel comes from the way it is told This is far from a linear account It opens with Kien retrieving bodies after the conflict has ended on the banks of the Ya Crong Poco River, on the northern flank of the B3 battlefield in the Central Highlands, the Missing In Action body collecting team awaits the dry season of 1976.By 40 Kien is a famous author but one who is now trying, for cathartic as much as literary purposes, to write the story of his war The account he writes refuses to follow a simple linear structure, circling back and forth through time When starting this novel, the first in his life, he planned a post war plot He started by writing about the MIA Remains Gathering team, those about to be demobilised soldiers on the verge of returning to ordinary civilian life But relentlessly, his pen disobeyed him Each page revived one story of death after another and gradually the stories swirled back deep into the primitive jungles of war, quietly re stoking his horrible furnace of war memories.The memory that afternoon reawakened in him the sense of sacred duty He felt he must press on to fulfil his obligations, his duty as a writer It was necessary to write about the war, to touch readers hearts, to move them with words of love and sorrow, to bring to life the electric moments, to let them, in the reading and the telling, feel they were there, in the past, with the author Why choose war Why must he write of the war His life and that of so many others was so horrible it could hardly be called a life How can one find artistic recognition in that kind of life He dares not abandon himself to emotions, yet in each chapter Kien writes of the war in a deeply personal way, as though it had been his very own war And so on and on, frantically writing, Kien refights all his battles, relives the times where his life was bitter, lonely, surreal, and full of obstacles and horrendous mistakes There is a force at work in him that he cannot resist, as though it opposes every orthodox attitude taught him and it is now his task to expose the realities of war and to tear aside conventional images It is a dangerous spin he is in, flying off at a tangent, away from the traditional descriptive writing styles, where everything is orderly Kien s heroes are not the usual predictable, stiff figures but real people whose lives take diverse and unexpected directions In the novel we are reading, this is given an added and perhaps unnecessary metafictional touch in that in part we are reading Kien s account and in part commentary on it by someone who found the pages, themselves jumbled, and is trying to reassemble the story At first I tried to rearrange the manuscript pages into chronological order, to make the manuscript read like the sort of book I was familiar with But it was useless There was no chronological order at all Any page seemed like the first, any page could have been the last Even if the manuscript had been numbered, even if no pages had been burned, or moth eaten, or withheld by the author, if by chance they were all there, this novel would still be a work created by turbulent, even manic inspirations.Although much of Kien s tale is of the brutal reality of war, the futility and the suffering, he does bring out the heroism of others who sacrificed themselves although he sees these sacrifices as personal, to save their friends, rather than in the furtherance of the cause of those who commissioned the conflict But for Hoa and countless other loved comrades, nameless ordinary soldiers, those who sacrificed for others and for their Vietnam, raising the name of Vietnam high and proud, creating a spiritual beauty in the horrors of conflict, the war would have been another brutal, sadistic exercise.To win, martyrs had sacrificed their lives in order that others might survive Not a new phenomenon, true But for those still living to know that the kindest, most worthy people have all fallen away, or even been tortured, humiliated before being killed, or buried and wiped away by the machinery of war, then this beautiful landscape of calm and peace is an appalling paradox Justice may have won, but cruelty, death and inhuman violence had also won.And at a personal level, the impact of the conflict is shown on the relationship between Kien and Phuong, each so changed by the war that when they come together again they are essentially different people Kien says he has only had two loves in his life Phuong at seventeen in the pre war days, and Phuong now, after the war but in practice, the changes to each are too much to enable their relationship to survive.At a purely personal level this didn t quite work for me Part of the fame the book has achieved has come in Vietnam from the honesty of an account that doesn t present the war as an triumphant heroic victory, and in the US from people being able to read an account from the other side, and see that much of their experience was shared It must be said to me as a UK reader, where the Vietnamese war was much less of a epoch defining event, these aspects were rather less powerful And as mentioned, the meta fictional aspects of the novel felt a little overdone, even though I normally like this sort of approach in a novel.Nevertheless a worthwhile winner of a wonderful literary prize 3.5 stars

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